Stand Out at Theme Park Auditions

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I'm Kristen. I'm Angela. And I'm Kathy. Welcome to the Drama Mama. This podcast, we're waiting for our guests to arrive, so yeah, while we do kind of, do we know what number this is? 14. Yeah. Whoa. Big number. 14. 14. Hey, so you guys went to see, oh gosh, let's get this right. Five women wearing the same dress. . Yep.

Oh, I got it. Finally. I know. Cuz we've, we've like messed up. We up a name so many times and then it was like, okay, well fine, I'm just gonna keep messing it up on purpose. I know. Because I can't seem to get it right and then you can't remember what the right name is. Yeah. So how was it? It was really good.

Um, oh, and, and I think I've settled in my head. It's just five women and Chad. Right? Like that was, that was what I kept calling it. Well, mine is six women Wonder us, but that's not even the right number. So no multiple women. Yeah, multiple women. It was actually a really cute show. I haven't watched a lot of like straight plays.

Mm-hmm. . So without the music, I was kind of like, oh, I don't know if I'm gonna like this or not. But, um, I was pleasantly surprised. It was really, really good. Mm-hmm. . Um, so like, it takes place in I think 1993. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm . And it's, you know, in Knoxville I think, right? Yes. Didn't they mention Knoxville? So some of 'em have a little southern draw.

But, um, it's just, you know, five women, they're all wearing like a, you know, bridal mm-hmm. dress, like party dress or whatever. Is it like, has a name, a previous dress, like do they all hate the dress? Yes, they definitely do. They all hate the dress. It's like, it's kind of stereo, stereotypical. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm.

Um, maybe I can like, like a, in our recording, um, I'll ask, actually I don't, I, they've already published some pictures from the theater, so Yeah. Maybe I'll, I'll, you know, share one of those, but like, um, it's kind of a blue thing. It's, there she is. Oh, nice. Got puffy sleeves and stuff. So I'm Kristen. I'm Angela.

And I'm Kathy. And we're the drama mamas. And today yes, we have brought on Jordan Duran. Yeah. So thank you so much for joining us today. Yeah, of course. Thanks for having me. We love it. Um, when I went to your workshop, the information you were giving was so different from anything I'd ever heard that I was like, okay, we have to have her on because you have some really valuable stuff to share.

Uh, oh, we lost you. There you go. Oh, there you're, oh, you disappeared. What was the name of the workshop? You froze. Say that again. You froze. You froze. Oh, froze. Are we still frozen for you? Oh, you came back. . Okay. Back. Oh, good. Good. Yay, . So what was the name of the workshop that you guys did? Um, it was called Animation five Movement three.

Okay. Mm-hmm. . All right. So explain again what that means. Um, so when you go to a character workshop at Walt Disney World in particular, um, character performers in general at Walt Disney World are categorized and scored in two categories, animation and movement. Um, animation is the way that characters communicate with guests with each other.

Women movement obviously is your movement ability with dance combinations and shows and phrase and things like that, and they score you on a scale of one five being the highest. . Um, so that was kind of my premise, was focusing on those two categories and explaining kinda the tips and tricks that I used when I was auditioning for character.

The character, but also categories, specifically animation. Specifically animation. Okay, perfect. So let's back up just a little bit. Let's get a little bit of your history and your background with, um, theater or acting or singing or whatever it may be, cuz you have supremely qualified . So share that with us.

Um, so I'm originally from Arizona. I have my Bachelor of Fine Arts in theater. Um, and then I moved out here to perform in the theme parks. Arizona's not really a place for a performer, obviously. Um, I didn't really want to do the whole Broadway thing. Um, I really wanted to perform in the theme park, so I came out here and did a college program in 2017.

I've lived here ever since. I perform at Walt Disney World in the Hoop Review, which is a dinner show at one of the resorts. I'm a vocalist at that show. And then I also perform at Universal Seasonally. I do, um, I sang with Manheim Steamroll and I also helped open the new escape room at CityWalk. I also dabbled a little bit in SeaWorld, and then I do shows in the community as well.

That's awesome. I know it's a lot going on there. Yeah, it's pretty busy, I guess. Is it, do you do the hoop? You do review seven days a week? No. So how does that work? Open five days a week. I'm a sub there. I was just there last night, so kinda like Antu or Swing. Um, when my role is she has to be out for whatever reason.

Like last night, she hurt herself in the middle of one of the shows, so I come in last minute. Um, wow. Wow. For the third show of the night. So I was in the middle of washing my hair and they were like, can you come in? And I was like, sure. So I drove over there Oh gosh. And did the last show. Yeah. But it's a lot of fun.

I love being there. Mm. So, oh, go ahead. Oh, no. Oh no. I was gonna say, we may have seen you. Um, we've been to the Hoop. Did you review? And, uh, that would be super cool. That's a great time. Tell the kids be like, Hey, we met somebody. That was insane. That's nice. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great show. It's super entertaining.

The kids love it, you know? Yeah. Did you do the Disney College program? I did, yeah, I did. Can you tell us a little bit about that? Yeah, so, um, my first college, I did two of them. My first program I worked in merchandise. Um, I worked at Mouse Gear. That was an experience for sure. And then, um, I transitioned over to, um, taking tickets at the entrance for Epcot.

And then I, the next year did another college program and I worked in the Adventure Land and Liberty Square area at Magic Kingdom. And I worked at the tiki room, the jungle crew called Presidents. And all that time I was performing at Universal and performing in the community and just auditioning, auditioning, auditioning, auditioning.

Oh my gosh. You must have a lot of energy , which I actually know you do. Cause I watched you in the workshop. You reminded me of that little emoji. It's the sunshine guy with the glasses on. He is like super happy . I'm like, that's her . Shiny, bright. Nice. But I imagine you have to be like that to Yeah. Score a role.

Yeah. So yeah, you talked about the interview process and I was. I've never heard of an interview process where you don't go in and sit down and talk about yourself. Yeah. And what you described is totally different. Can you tell us about that? Yeah. For Disney. For Disney? Mm-hmm. . Yes. Yeah. So, um, you know, you go in and they, for, for Disney World, they just, you know, call you and they ask you, you know, random questions when you're just, um, interviewing for a regular job.

But when you go in for character performing, there's no interview process at all. You just go in and you do your audition. Um, and if you make it to the end, maybe they'll call you. Um, there's like an informal phone interview after the fact of like, Hey, are you legally allowed to work in the United States?

And as long as you pass that interview process, then the job's yours. But yeah, for Charact performing, there's really no interview process at all. It's just the audition. and what does the audition look like? Um, so for character performing, um, which is slightly different than what I do now, um, I'm an equity vocalist.

I'm not a character performer, but, um, for character performing, you show up, you get your number just like every other audition in the planet. Um, and then you, they teach you a pretty simple, um, usually two counts of eight, um, across the floor movement, which is what I taught the kids at the workshop. Um, and then after that, they do a cut, do a cut usually for people who just really couldn't make it across the floor.

Um, and, uh, they will walk through a more complicated dance, uh, combo. With more intricate turns and kicks and basic, you know, can she do a fan kick? Can she do a pirouette? Um, and then they also will walk through the animation exercise that I kinda talked about earlier, um, which is like a pantomime and you tell a story from start to finish within a specific timeframe.

Um, only using your body and facial expressions. And then from there, if you look like a particular character or if you just really exceeded, is when they'll some people to do fitting or take some photos. Um, and then usually that's the end of the process and then it's from there. Many people are generally in an audition.

Um, it really depends on what city you're in for the college program. Um, there's

auditions all over the country. Um, so I auditioned in Phoenix, Arizona and there was probably a hundred people at that audition. But if you went to an audition, say, in New York City, there's 500 people there. Um, and for an everyday full-time, part-time character performer, um, who's not part of the college program, those auditions usually have about 300, 400 people at them, depending on the height range.

Um, especially for that mid range, like my size five, six to five eight, you'll have a lot of people auditioning because that's where the princesses lie is in that five six to five eight range. Ok. So you'll have all of those girls who are like, I wanna be friends with Cinderella. And so there's tons of, tons of people usually at those ones, I think the most I've ever seen, about 600.

Um, and they just make you wait in your car and it's, they're there for hours, so you gotta get there really early if you wanna be done early . Wow. Yeah. And then they just whittle it down from there too. So, By the end, is it down to just a, a handful of people sometimes just don't even, it's still under 200 and it really just depends on what they need.

You know, especially after they reopen from Covid, they have basically no one, um, they're still trying to pick back up their arsenal of people. Um, so it really just depends on their need. If they really need people who are mouse height, who can do those smaller characters, they're gonna have a lot of people stay.

But if they really are only looking for girls who can hang out with Tiana, they're gonna have however many girls that is. So sometimes it's a hundred still, sometimes it's five. Um, when I did my Hoopty Doo audition, um, they told us that 600 people had submitted for that call. Um, and out of those 600, there were 10 of us at the callback.

That callback, they kept two girls, including myself for Flora, the character I play. Um, and then I was the only one from that audition who got passed. So it's, I I feel very honored, but it's a big, yeah, it's a big pool. Yeah, I bet. Absolutely. . Clearly very talented as well. . And so they do these, when they do these calls, right?

They could be for any park anywhere in the world. Yeah. So when you go on the website, they're um, you can filter it for anything. So you can filter it by Audition City. So, um, it'll usually tell you how many auditions there are posted at any given moment, and then every city will be available at the filter and you just click your audition city or you can filter it by park, you can filter it by performance type.

Um, so usually I filter it for Walt Disney World. Um, cause that's just the easiest. And then you can see all of the auditions that are posted. Sometimes there's none. Like right now, I think there's two up. Um, and then sometimes there's, depending on the season, there's 1516 auditions posted just for Disney World.

And so like a character, just make sure I'm understanding, it could be a princess, it could be Pluto, it could be any of those Correct. Type of, yeah. So, um, like I mentioned at my workshop, the workshop, the university, the Disney Entertainment, um, performers are really categorized into two types. You have the charact performers who are gonna be those people, the Pluto, the Cinderellas, the dancers in the parades.

Those are all character performers. Um, and then you have those performers that have slightly specialized skills like myself, who are vocalist, actors, pianists, um, really. Screen dancers, like, um, a really great example of Festival of the Lion King, if you've ever seen that show at Animal Kingdom, you have those dancers on the floor that are dressed as snakes and they've got all the grass and the cool outfits.

Those are character performers that have high movement scores, usually fours or five, um, just are really gifted. Um, and then you have, but they're still sometimes gonna have a shift where they're hanging out with Pluto and Magic Kingdom. Um, but then the birds that are flying during, can you feel the love tonight?

Those are equity dancers because that's a special skill, you know, being able to be so poised and then flung around in the air. That's, I could never, um, yeah, that's like very impressive. Yes. And like the fire dancer, he's an equity performer. Um, stunts are usually equity. Um, so those characters, yeah, greet.

Parade Pluto, and you know, things like that. So those are the main two categories that I fall into an equity performer category and they don't mix. So, um, I could never, unless I quit, waited six months and came back, I could never be hanging out with, in a parade. I would have to only be an equity performer.

Okay. Okay. Gotcha. So how many auditions would you say you've been on for Disney? A hundred, at least for Disney alone? Um, probably 50 of those were for Charact performing. Um, The other half were various shows in the park. Um, yeah, probably a hundred at least if I really sat down and counted, which took me forever.

Wow. So a lot of nos. Yes. Before you got that really good. Yes. I've gotten one offer. I turned it down when I was, um, towards the beginning of my time here. Um, I've had one offer and turned it down just because of where I was in my personal life at the time. Um, and then this is really the first time that I finally have gotten into per equity performing, um, at Disney.

And it's been great. And you know, once you have your foot in the door, then you can kick it open the rest of the way, so, mm-hmm. , here we go. I love that phrase. Yeah, I like that. Well, it's true. I mean, you know, I've seen that, you know, in a former life working at SeaWorld. Mm-hmm. , I did education to get my foot in the door to be an animal trainer.

Mm-hmm. . So Yeah. I totally understand. Yeah. Your way up. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Now, will this help you being an equity, um, performer, vocalist, will this help you stay within Disney, but maybe broaden? So if you ever done auditions, let's say for like their network, if it's like a TV show or a movie, is that something that you can kind of catapult?

They're, they're like separate entities. So Disney Parks is okay. Its own finger in the hand of Disney. Um, so they don't ever cross. Okay. Like would have to quit my job at Disney Park to be on the cruise line. Um, I could never be on American Idol because it's part of the Disney family. Um, if I wanted to be in Star Wars, I'd have to quit.

Um, because they, although they are all under the Disney umbrella, they're different entities owned by different people, budgeted different ways. Um, but, you know, still exposure and someone could show up. Alan was at a couple nights ago apparently. Um, so you know, you never know who you're gonna see. And even within equity performing, I had two callbacks in the past month for different shows on property.

And you walk in the room and it's the same vocal director and she says, hi Jordan, how are you? And you know, it feels good to know that I'm known. So even within the parks bubble, I have so much opportunity. So once you get that role, so how long have you been at the hoop? Did do for, for six months. So I was not in the reopening cast.

I was in the cast directly after. Okay. So once you're in that role, is there like brush up and. You know, retraining or once you get it set, you're kind of set for good. Um, it's usually once you get it set, you're set for good. Um, they, when they reopened after Covid, there was a little bit of, um, rebranding of the show, a little bit more inclusivity, a little bit more sensitivity with certain verbiage and the way that they did things, especially just given the setting of the show.

But, so they all had to relearn that show. But unless I, unless I have a Christmas overlay, which we just finished, or, um, if I get asked to come in to cover some new casts approval show, I don't ever have to really go into rehearsals. I just come in and doing something crazy. That's not what I learned. Um, but that's all just part of staying on top of it on my own time, but also just being a professional.

Honestly, I went about a month without being in shows and then I showed up and was very nervous that I had forgotten everything, but it was like riding a bike. . Um, the first couple seconds I'm like, oh, where am I going? Where am I going? And then just came to me. . . Thank goodness. Yeah, goodness's. True.

Fake it till you make it, right? Oh, yeah, exactly. Mm-hmm. remember the audience doesn't know, right? Know So , or do they Yeah, there do. So it's three shows a night that you do. So I think we do, it's three shows a night. Um, call Time is three 50 and we usually end around 10 30. Um, three shows about an hour and 15 minutes log, um, which is the longest show on property.

And then we do three shows. Um, it's also the only show on property that has live music, which is super unique and exciting. Um, but yeah, it's kind of, once it goes, it doesn't stop until the show's over. Um, so. You gotta be ready to go. Even just doing the one show last night, I got home and felt like I had been hit by a cause.

It's just, you're just, you know, going and going. And my costume is so,

so I'm wearing

dress and that I have a wig on, and I'm wearing tights and bloomers and UCA boots that are, you know, gotta feel this long. And I'm, ugh, just, I feel like I'm just covered and I am. Cause it's like a high net too. And so you're just going, going, going, going, going. Um, but it's, you know, it's, it's, it's a great time.

I love being here. Do you have like, um, rituals basically that you do to help protect your voice, to help make sure that you don't do anything too strenuous for your body? Yeah. Um, I use a vocalist, which is um, like a saline solution. It's a nebulizer and you put the saline solution in inhale. It helps keep your vocal cords hydrated and just gives it the new, the nutrients that you might need.

Um, you can use it before, but it's intended to be after to kinda make sure it's repairing it, um, ok. Like salt water, but a little bit less abrasive with the, you know, cause you can inhale. Um, and then so Ill massage my thighs a lot cause there's, um, but also, uh, I just have a lot of rest. Um, you know, like I give myself a lot of grace and if I'm tired, I listen and I sleep.

Usually we'll just take some ibuprofen before I go to bed. And I don't wake up as sore as I might, but just making sure I eat a good breakfast and sleeping goes a long way to feeling better and recovered after a night of three shows. Yeah, I bet. Are you on the stage the whole time? Um, there's probably, probably a co a combined 10 minutes that I'm not doing something, um, without, throughout the whole show, there's a moment after the opening chunk where the guests are eating their food, um, we're not out.

And then after that I only have about five minutes of a break where two characters are singing a song that I'm not in. Um, but then other than that I'm just on other than like quick exits and gonna do something else. . Mm-hmm. . Yeah. And it's high energy dancing too. Yes. It's, yeah. You know, and my character is not even the high energy dancer.

Um, my character is more of the vocalist, the ingenue type, um, within the, within the caricatures of the different characters. Um, and I have seven lines compared to my counterpart who leads the show. Um, but I'm still dancing and twirling and doing all kinds of things. Acting like a fool in a big, heavy dress.

Yeah. Right? Yes. Is it inside? Because man, Florida, it's Okay, good. Yeah. So you're not wearing all that outside. Outside freezing. And sometimes it feels like, um, three fires are burning, um, around the stage. It just depends on the day, honestly. Mm-hmm. , . No. I always worry about those, you know, the guys in the Pluto suits or whatever outside in the middle of summer.

Like how do they do that? Oof. It's, that's, that's why you have to be an adult to work at, you know, at Disney and entertainment because mm-hmm. . It's not for the faint of heart, that's for sure. . Yeah. Not, yeah. I don't wanna hog all the questions. I have so many. Um, . It's keep going. You're doing keep going, keep going.

Questions after the workshop? Like, I wanna know more. Um, go Beyonce. Was he, he said go Beyonce. Oh, . Call me Beyonce. Go through what you did with the kids. For the movement, um, kind of audition part of it. And so a lot of you gave some really good tips and tricks that you have used for that. Like, kind of describe that part for us.

So, um, my, my workshop is called Animation five, movement three. Cause I myself, um, and not a strong dancer at all. Um, and I'm not, I'm not ashamed of that at all. I know my strengths, I know what I'm good at and I know what I'm not good at. Um, so I feel like it's really important to make sure that, um, people who are interested in being a part of that know that they can have a place within, especially the Walt Disney Company, even if they can't do a Triple Piit or kick their face, um, you can, you can make it happen because if you really lean into animation side of things.

Um, and so I really did focus on the importance of animation and how important it's to be able to tell an energized story with your body. And because like I told the kids, you know, Mickey Mouse doesn't talk, um, Sully and Sully and Blue and Pluto and Mini, they don't, they can't speak. So they have to be able to tell their story with their bodies, with their head movements, with their energy.

Um, and that's something that I was always very good at. And so I let them know, you know, a lot, some of my tricks that I do when I'm at those auditions, which is, you know, they give you a prompt for the animation call. Um, usually something pretty simple like you're going to a party or you're making a monster, or, um, be a hero, and then they let you run wild.

Um, the example that I gave the kids with, um, this particular trick that I use is, um, they let us, they wanted us to be searching for. . Um, and they need a very clear beginning, middle, and end. And they said, you're looking for treasure and we wanna see what the treasure was. Um, and I asked the kids, you know, on the count of three, tell me what kind of character looks for treasure.

And they all said pirate, every single one of them, which is correct and which is great and fine. Um, but casting directors, when everyone is a pirate, suddenly it's just one pirate. So I always try and go with my second idea. And so I told the kids, you know, instead of being a pirate, cause I knew everyone around me was gonna be a pirate, I put on my headphones and my animation, um, exercise, I put on my headphones and I was looking for a treasure with a metal detector in the sand.

Um, and I see those casting directors now, years later. This was probably two 18, it's been five years. Um, I see those cast directors out and about and they still remember my animation, but I can guarantee you that they don't remember the other 300 people that were pirates. And I just told the kids it's important to be creative, uh, when you're doing your animation because you want them to be looking at you.

Um, you also reminded them the importance of, um, just having those big movements because they're big characters. Um, you know, obviously if I'm typing in real life, I'm gonna type like this, but that's not interesting. When you go see Mickey Mouse, you wanna see big typing like this. Um, so I really encourage them to kind of be goofy and be big.

And if they thought they weren't, if I thought they were being too big, they could probably be bigger. Um, and it's also about being simple. A lot of the kids were like, I don't know how to sew. I'd given them the prompt. Um, I think on the workshop that you were at, I'd given them the prompt of they were going to a party.

and then I wanted them to present whatever they were bringing to the party, whether it be a gift or balloons or whatever. And this one student said, I don't know what sewing looks like. I don't know how to show that I'm sewing. And she was telling me all this, she was pulling out all this thread and I said, you know, eat all that, but, but the, the thread in and then just thread it.

That's all you need. You don't need to be doing all the crazy stuff because then you're just gonna get bogged down. Um, so I just stress the importance of clean movements and which is just good in general, honestly, even when you're dancing, I might not be a good dancer, but I'll do it clean. . Uh, there you go.

Yeah. You know, just being original I think goes a long way, um, in those auditions to make sure that you stand out because there are sometimes 600 people there, and you wanna be the one that they cast. . Yeah, I know there's probably maybe 25, 30 kids. Mm-hmm. . And when you told 'em to start doing their little animation, I was thinking, oh my gosh, if I was a casting director, it'd be really hard to pick somebody out of the crowd.

Mm-hmm. . But then some of the kids were doing those really big movements and really exaggerated movements. Mm-hmm. and your eye was drawn right to them. Right. Because they were doing something mm-hmm. , which probably felt really silly to them, or kind of, you know, uncomfortable. Right. But it, it did.

Absolutely made you look at them versus the other kids that were kind of being a little more withdrawn. Right. And luckily, in an audition, like a real true audition setting, they whittled the group down even further. So, um, once you've gotten all your rehearsing and your practices out of the way, they'll split you up into groups of five, usually like small, small groups.

Okay. So they have a little bit less to look at. Um, but still, you know, even a group of five, that's four other people they could be watching instead of you. So you need to make sure that you, you do something so bold that they don't wanna look away. You don't wanna be crazy, embarrass yourself, but it's very hard to embarrass yourself.

But it won't, it has to be readable. Like they have to know what you're doing. Right. Making big movements doesn't mean they're good big movements. Mm-hmm. , it has to be a readable movement. Understandable. Yeah. Yeah. So they're basically pantomime, is that what you would call it? Yeah. Um, I asked the kids if they knew what an animation was and most of them didn't.

They thought I was talking about a part, which is truly true. Um, and then I asked them if they knew what a pantomime was, and they all did. And so I was like, well, you know what an animation is then. Um, you know, it's just that ability to tell a story with outwards, um, which is a huge, huge part of performing at Walt Disney World.

Even in my. Line of work. I still have a lot of times where I don't have tell some sort of story. I have to do something, do something. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. So you have to be 18 to even be completed? Yes. Um, I think that they have like a little bit of wiggle room if you're 17 when you audition, but you'll be 18 by the time they start your onboarding process.

But yeah, for the most part you have to be 18 just because of all the hazards that come with the job. I mean, even, um, when I was doing hoop do, which is inside, um, I slipped on a puddle of, um, unmentionables and strained my arm, um, uh, like a week and a half after I had been approved and signed off on the roll.

Hit my arm on a barrel and was out for a month because I had to sprained my arm and had to get an mri. And you know, a kid, you know, a 17 year old, 16 year old kid, that adds a whole nother world of liability that they're huge company does not wanna take that liability. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But by doing that, like you're saying, it's a good way to get in the door and hopefully mm-hmm.

you know, build up from there. Absolutely. Do you see a lot of the same people at the audition? Oh, all the time. All the time. I, I almost always, you know, you see a lot of the same people for a lot of different reasons, just cause it's the same people who wanna do the same job as you, but all the, also the same people that are the same as me Yeah.

Are the same type. I, um, am unique just because I'm a person of color. So there's a, I, even though I'm a person of color, I really have a very ingen golden age, more type sound to my voice, which is unique. Um, which I, I'm very fortunate to have. But, um, I still will see the same, you know, blonde girls and the same ingenue type.

Every audition, it's the same people and I'm like, Hey, how are you doing? And I show up at these callbacks and, and I know exactly who's gonna be there. If I, if they submitted, they're probably gonna be there. And, but you also, I see a lot of my friends too, cause they're also people that I've worked with in shows in the area or in a show at Universal.

And so it's, it's a really small community here, um, that's really supportive and great, honestly. . Mm-hmm. . Yeah. That's what we've learned too, is that theater is so small. Um, whether it be, you know, people having contacts here that are up on Broadway and you're like, oh yeah. And then the further we get into it, yeah.

The more of that we even see. Yes. Yeah. Yes. It's so true. Yeah, so true. So you're, I assume you're obviously local to the Orlando area. Mm-hmm. . So you said that you do some other things in the area. Do you do, where do you do shows outside of Disney and Universal? Like do you go to the Dr. Phillips or done shows, companies?

I started with Oola. Um, I did How to Succeed in business without really trying. There I was, um, Rosemary's understudy and I was in the ensemble. I was also in Young Frankenstein there. Very recently I played Inga. Um, I also wasn't in the height. That's awesome. A couple years ago I was Vanessa, I did School of Rock at Theater South Playhouse.

I played Rosalie Mullins and that, which was a great time. Um, and then I also did shows with Celebration Theater Company. They're not doing much right now, but I was in 25th annual Putnam County spelling, be there as Olive, and I was in SpongeBob as Sandy Cheeks. And then I've done a couple of smaller things with different, uh, smaller theaters.

Um, the Renaissance Theater Company, I've done a few things over there as well. Mm-hmm. and at Universal, what do you do? What's at uni? You work at Universal as well sometimes you said? Yeah, so, um, when I'm performing over there, I did Grinch Smith last year, um, as Betty Lou, who, and then I performed with Manheim Steamroller, um, which is, you know, brand new winning orchestra.

Super cool. Um, and so I sang, uh, it was a gr a few other vocalists there. We sang, um, the songs from Grinch Smith with the live orchestra, um, which was, I did that last year and this year I did the Martha May Track for that. So I sang Man with a Bag and were Christmas, uh, and then we recently opened the, um, CityWalk Escape Room and there's characters that guide you through those escape rooms, and I portrayed the character that guide you through the Jurassic World Escape.

So I did some. Actually while I was rehearsing for Hoopty dude. Um, and then I also performed in Halloween Horror Nights. Just some other incidental stuff, um, throughout my time there. But I'm always somewhere. Yeah, sounds like it sounds like you're happiest when you're performing. Yes, I am. . Yes, I am. So like, um, you mentioned that Disney calls it like animation, right?

Do all the parks call it that same thing? Is it like a park thing? Always. Sometimes it's just like, they'll call it character movement. Um, sometimes they'll call it animation. I think it's just, um, whatever. It's sometimes Disney. It's always animation, always. But, um, okay. At some of the other parks at Universal, at SeaWorld even, it depends.

Sometimes it's characters, sometimes it's just storytelling. I went to a, I've been to a couple Disneyland auditions and. They're a little bit different even over there with their structure, um, from character to character and things like that. Um, but they called it I think, story, something. I was confused cause I was used to Disney World and when they explained it I was like, oh, it's anime.

So nice. It, it all boils down to the same thing. But they're all slightly different in the way that they describe it. Mm-hmm. describe it. Basically they're looking for singing and movement. Yeah. In that, in the character realm. Yeah. Okay. The three. But I like how you have your, um, your title, right? Like, like you said, you've played up your strengths, so you're animation, five, movement three.

Mm-hmm. . Cause we've talked about how it's perfectly natural to have one skill that you're, you know, you're stronger at. Yeah. Whether it be the vocal piece or the dance piece or the acting piece. Everybody always is like talking about being a triple threat. Yes. And it's like, that doesn't. , you don't really see that.

Like you see people who can sort of move but are really great singers and actors. Mm-hmm. . Yes, exactly. You're either a dancer that can sing or you're a singer that can move mm-hmm. , right? That's one or the other. And you're always gonna have us. Yeah. Sounds like you and that's you. Not so much the dancer, you.

Sounds just at a call. Doesn't sound bad to me. , no. Set A call last week, um, for the Pirate Dinner adventure here in Orlando, and the owner asked me if I could dance and I was like, kinda. And he was like, what does kinda mean? I was like, if you give a, you know, an eight, I can probably get through it just fine.

But you know, if you need me to sing something on the fly, that's gonna be really where my strength is. Um, and I think as long as you can hold your own, you know, and as long as you can fake it till you make it and smile through it. Have some level of grace, um, when you're moving. I think especially as a female, um, you know, it's a little bit harder for females.

You have to have some level of, when you're moving males,

you have at least some level of competency in all three. I think that's still a triple threat. Yeah. Um, so like a, a good base is what you're saying? Totally, totally, totally a good base. Have some ballet, have some. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. That makes sense. So, um, you got, you scored this awesome gig with hoop deal.

Mm-hmm. . Um, when you get that, are you, like, you're now your set, you're in that role as long as you wanna do it? Or do you have like a contracted time? So, um, as a sub, it is kind of just until I quit, until they offer me a contract. But then once they do offer you a contract, it's um, I believe a yearly renewal.

Um, so every year they sit down, they either renew your contract or they give it to someone else, um, based on Okay. Any number of things, just like on Broadway. Um, but for the most part, unless there's someone who's come in and is just, you know, blown it away, you're gonna keep your contract. Okay. Okay. All right.

That's good. But it also gives you the opportunity, right? To say, Hey, you know what? I did this for a year. Maybe I wanna try something else. Yeah. So I guess it could be beneficial. Or if you audition for something that you land, maybe that's better. Mm-hmm. . Right? Right. Like the Pirate Dinner Show, which by the way is great.

Yeah. Yeah. It's that one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of audience participation in that show. Mm-hmm. , which is lots of fun. And it's got that whole story with it. If you guys have never seen it, you need to go. It's fun. And food's actually not bad. Food's actually not bad. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The food's pretty good.

It takes place all on a pirate ship. Oh, right. Like, I mean, you're not on the pirate ship, but the people. Right. But the actors are so it's, yeah. It's super fun. Mm-hmm. , it's kinda cool right there in the middle of the, of the, I don't know what is it, an arena or whatever you call it, stadium, whatever. It's all indoors, so it's like right in the middle of the thing is this big old ship.

Yeah. And they gotta dance on it and maneuver on it. And there's some stunts involved in that too. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty not me. So, , how , we'll leave that up to the men. Just to be clear, so you probably mentioned this, you probably mentioned this earlier on, and I, I didn't, I just, it's not coming to me, but how long have you been doing um, you know, singing, dancing, acting?

Well professionally, not long. Um, five years, but just in general my entire life. Um, I started singing when I was really young, um, sang in the church choir. Like a lot of people start, I've realized. Um, and just, you know, it was in middle school that I realized that I could sing and be dramatic at the same time.

Um, I saw Lion King with my family when I was in the sixth grade. It was touring and I just, that entire experience from start to finish getting the tickets with my dad, it was once upon a time when you had to buy the tickets in person. Cause Ticketmaster didn't exist yet. I stood in line with my dad for hours and.

And I saw the show and I was just blown away by the theatricality of it all. And so that really was, I think, the moment that I realized that I wanted to be a musical theater performer. Um, and then it was in the seventh grade when I started being introduced to musicals that were, you know, the Lion King, or Beauty and the Beast.

Um, but since then I just have really been honing my voice and acting and a little bit here and there, but mostly just seeing and acting. And it wasn't until high school that I started performing in shows, um, then I haven't stopped since then. Uh, so do you still, um, train like to this day, do you still take lessons and, and have a vocal coach and all of that?

Yeah, I take voice lessons. I'm out of lessons right now just cause I've been doing so much and I've been taking care of just like some other like, personal stuff. So I've been putting that on the back burner, but I vocalize for about 15 minutes at least every day of, you know, just true vocalizations running through my repertoire, making sure that I am staying on track with auditions.

But yeah, I'm always, you know, watching some acting intensive online or um, getting a voice lesson. Sometimes I'll go to drop in dance classes with some friends and so it's, every day is still a day to learn and grow. Cause you can never be the best, you know. Yeah, that's a big theme that we've heard as well.

Of the people that we've had the opportunity and we've been blessed to be able to speak with is the biggest thing that they say is never start training. Like, keep going, keep going. Absolutely. Keep going. Cause there's always so much you can learn because if you're not training, there's somebody, somebody else is doing it.

Somebody else's training. Absolutely. So, yeah. Do you have some advice for kids kind of looking into theater and looking in, getting into something like this? What kind of advice would you give them? Well, I think it's important to remember that your biggest supporter, your biggest advocate is yourself. Um, and there's this kind of stigma in the world of, um, it's getting better.

But that, um, you, you shouldn't talk about yourself and you shouldn't brag about yourself. And the only way you're. Succeed is by knowing your worth. Um, and so I think it's so important at a young age even to recognize your talent and to recognize, um, why you should be the one to be doing this. Because of course, you know, your loved ones should support you and you know, your parents should help you get through what you need to get through to do it on your own.

But, um, at the end of the day, you're the one in that audition room and you're the one who's presenting yourself. Um, but I also think it's important to remember that if you don't get it, you know, I am an expert in not getting cast in things. I'm very good at it. Um, it's important to remember that no isn't no, because you are bad.

It's because. It's just not the right opportunity for you. No stands for next opportunity. Mm-hmm. . Um, so take that opportunity to Oh yeah. Um, figure out what went wrong. If it was you but it probably wasn't you, and then get ready for the next one, then remember that, you know, you're your biggest champion cause you're the one who knows the best.

Yeah. That is great advice cuz it, you know, you teach your kids to be humble and not brag and not, so it's, that's a hard transition for them to recognize. Okay, I do have talent. It's okay to believe in myself and Yeah. And embrace, promote myself. Yeah. And you can still be humble. Um, but no, you're worth, you know, you don't have to come out and.

Be this big showy, and I'm, I'm great and lemme tell you all the great things about me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, when the situation is appropriate. It's absolutely okay to sing your own praises and let people know your accomplishments. And, you know, your resume is your biggest tool. And you know, as you can see on my resume, I have this and this and this and, you know, you're, you're qualified.

So make sure you know, you let them know why you're qualified and that's okay. But you can still do that while being crud. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . That's excellent advice. I love that. Yeah. It really is. Yeah. Yeah. So let's say somebody's interested in being a character. Yeah. How, you mentioned a website. What is the website?

They can go link that and so you can always Google it. Um, cause sometimes I can get there by just typing disney auditions.com, but sometimes it goes to some. Website. Um, the biggest, the best thing to do is just to go on jobs, Disney career, stop, and then filter through till you get the auditions page. But usually if you just Google Disney auditions, um, it's gonna be the first thing that pops up.

Sometimes they even show up on play on their jobs as well, depending on what they're searching for. Um, but, and then even sometimes they'll post about it on social media. Um, they've really, really, really struggled with getting some shorter performers, excuse me, to fill those, um, Mickey Mouse quotas. Um, so they've been pulling from Facebook, Hey, come audition.

Hey Twitter, come audition. So they're everywhere. Yeah, you just have to, you just have to. and they're pretty specific in what they're asking for. Like we need a male six foot to six four, something like that. Yeah. So usually for those character performer auditions, um, sometimes it'll be like four eight to five foot five, six to five eight.

And sometimes, like right now, um, the world is in a tizzy cause they're asking for, um, meet a, meet and greet, uh, aerial that looks like the Light Action Little Mermaid, which I think is great. Mm-hmm. . Oh, yes. Um, I saw some stuff about that. I think that's, that's, I think that's amazing. That's, that's so great.

Um, for a lot of reasons. But, um, so obviously they're looking for a very specific type of person for that. Um, and other times they're, they're looking for someone who can portray, you know, bell or who can portray Melissa or whatever. So it really just, you just gotta read it. And then for those equity auditions, like the ones that I'm calling for,

Like I, I know right now they're looking for lookalike, the Do Guest on In a Beauty and the Beast Show. Um, but sometimes they need, um, they like, they just closed, uh, the Finding Nemo show auditions and so they're looking for people who fit into these categories and submit this material. Um, so yeah, just seeing if you fit and sometimes you don't and just, and you submit anyway.

Sounds like you have to stay on top of it, and you have to stay on top of it. It sounds like you have to check. Yeah, I check in about what's popping up once a day, maybe once every other day. Cause sometimes they show up and disappear. Especially for Universal. They'll show up and then disappear within a day or two.

Within a day or two. Wow. Oh wow. Yeah. Fast moving . Yeah. It's add to your vocal training every day. Check. It's just part of my, my daily checks. I check my email, I check my audition websites. No, that's good. Yeah. You're staying on top of it. Yeah. So with that being said then, do you not have like a manager or an agent, did you not go that route?

I know a couple of my friends do. Um, but I was always taught, and I've always felt that, um, with theater, . Um, you don't really need an agent or a manager until you can't manage all your jobs on your own. Um, you don't really need that connection, especially nowadays. Um, you don't really need that connection to get into the room.

Sometimes it helps. Okay. For sure. But it really is you and your abilities and your resume. Um, versus film, you're not gonna get those auditions unless you know someone and that agent is who knows that someone. So for film acting, obviously you're gonna want an agent right away. Um, but for theater, I found most of the people who I know who do use agents, they didn't start using agents until they really wanted those big, big things.

Um, or they just were fielding so many offers that they couldn't make out which one was the best. That overwhelming. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. . That's great. All right. Um, gosh, I feel like I had something else in my brain that I wanted to ask her. Sure. You, I did. I know I have like a million different things cuz it's super cool.

You're a wealth of knowledge. This is wonderful. Yeah. Yes. . Yeah. Oh, here it is. Okay. So right now, because of the role that you play with Disney, you don't have like a set contract. If you, let's say something happened, they did extend you a contract. Does Disney not let you then go, or you may not even have time, I guess if you were taking a permanent role with them for that year, a contract role to go and do things on the side with Universal or did you things on the side with a community theater.

Can you do that, all that on your own time? So, um, great. I have friend who lives with Two Day Flora, um, at Disney. She does some shows at, um, universal. And the girl who's the Three Day Flora does shows at Universal. and even, um, the three day gym at you do. He does, he's a sub for Finding Nemo. One of the other gyms is a sub festival of the Lion King.

So you can do any number of things, just, you know, you're contracted those days a week. Um, so make sure you show up when, when you're supposed to be there. Right? So that's just your priority, just like a regular job, but ultimately the time outside of that contract is your own. Um, and even people are always so surprised when I tell them I work at sea at, I've worked at SeaWorld and I work at Universal and Disney because ultimately, you know, the information that they're trying to keep from the public, I'm not privy to, so they don't care.

Yeah. . That Dunno anything. It's nice to know. , there's no like, non-compete, you know? Right. And if I even like for example, you know, the City Walk escape room, um, I was working on that for almost a year. Um, and it just opened a month or two ago. Um, and I got called back for that in February of last year. And I didn't even start filming it until the end of July.

But that entire process, I was signing NDAs, I was signing NDAs, all of the scripts that I was getting sent had watermarks with my name on them. Um, so that way if it did get out, it was gonna be on me. So. Mm-hmm. , um, if it is something that's secretive like that, because they didn't even announce it until the summer, um, Wow.

They, you know, if they got out they could have and they could trace it back to me. I would be busted. I signed the legal document. Um, but now that it's open, you know, I can talk about, and people are always like, sign escape room. It's like, that's, that's awesome. I wanna go see it. Yeah. I didn't even know it was a thing.

Yeah, that's really cool. I got to do it. Um, I got to do a preview of it and I was actually the first group to ever go through the Jurassic world. One of people that don't operate the room. And even though I had filmed all of these hints and all of these scenarios, I was so stuck a lot of times and got very weirded because it's dinosaurs and it was very silly cause they were just cracking up laughing at me in the cameras.

Cause I'm screaming and confused. But it was, it's really, really cool. . Oh, that sounds amazing. There's a Jurassic world and yeah. The Oh, nice. Oh, nice. Okay. All right. We're gonna get signed up for that. We are . Well . It's, uh, 2 52 and I know, yeah, we know you have, have kind of a, a clock ticking for you. Yeah.

Sweet. We don't wanna keep you. Yeah, we wanna thank, thank you so much for coming on. You are amazing and thank you. You have such a beautiful, bright spirit, so thank you. Yes, thank you. Yes, you do. We wish you nothing but the best. Thank you. Um, let's, hey, let's plan to keep in touch, like let us know when you have something else going on, something big, something that you wanna talk about.

We can certainly, yeah. We'd love to have that our audience know. Yeah. I, um, have a couple of things I'm waiting on. I had two, like I mentioned, I had the parts of the Caribbean. That's what I'm trying to do apparently. Um, the Pirate's Dinner show, I had that call back. Um, and then I had a festival, lion King stuff coming up and I have my NEMO call coming up, so I have a lot of stuff.

Okay. Hopefully my goal by the end of this year is to be performing in some capacity five days a week. Um, And I'm almost there. I can feel it. It's like if I just pull the curtain aside, it's right there. Mm-hmm. . It's very frustrating. . Yes. Frustrating. Yeah. Bet it's there. I'm sure. Yeah. It's gonna come because we've heard that there is a piece of pie for everybody.

Mm-hmm. . That's right. Now we've heard that. So we're gonna bank on that for you and we're gonna put all those, we'll help you manifest it. That's right. Yes. We're manifesting it. That's so up the universe. Universe. We'll definitely. Thank you. Yes. You're gonna do great things, so we're super excited. Don't you wish you could be a little raised sunshine like her

I know, that's, I told you you were gonna love her. Yeah, she, I remember, remember looking at that on and I was like, what is that? Mm-hmm. . Yeah. It makes a lot of sense now. Yeah. I had no idea. That's kind of how that stuff went. Well, and of course I was like, the kids, when it said animation, I'm like, oh, we're gonna learn about cartoons,

Yeah. And it was totally not that. Exactly. Well, okay, so former life. I'm like 19 and I'm looking for my first, uh, job in, with working with animals. Mm-hmm. , right? So like I've, I've graduated high school and, uh, went to college and came back and I'm like, I'm ready. I'm like, I wanna go work with the animals.

And so, um, I had applied at Disney at the casting center at Disney. And of course at that point, my experience with birds was when I was 13. Um, I volunteered, worked at, um, this place called The Bird Store. The Bird Store, original name . Um, yeah, they're still around, I think. Um, though I think the ownership and stuff has changed, but like, you know, I did a lot of stuff working with those birds, raised babies and, you know, took care of all the birds and everything.

But like, uh, that had, that was kind of the limit of it at that point. I did it when I was 13 and then I did it again. Um, when I had moved back, oh, no, when I was still in high school. . And then when I went off to college, I had quit. Mm-hmm. , when I came back, I worked there again, but like, it was a very brief time anyway, so, um, I'm like, okay, well I go and I apply at SeaWorld, um, cuz they have birds.

Mm-hmm. and I don't know that everybody knows that cuz it's called SeaWorld. But, um, I was like, know that Animal Kingdom is still kind new. That's, that's a story. , sorry. At that time, animal Kingdom was still kind of new. And I was like, I know they have some animals. I don't know what all they have out there, but like, I'm gonna go apply.

So I get into the casting center and they, they have this like extensive, you know, form that you're filling out before they even talk to you mm-hmm. and you turn it in and then you just kind of like, wait for a little bit. And then this lady brought me back and I part of like, one of the questions was, what are your hobbies?

Oh. And I was like, my hobbies, well at that. , um, I've told you that Chris and I met swing dancing, right? Yes. Yes. So my hobby was dancing because we did that all the time and we would go to workshops and everything. And I wouldn't say I was spectacular at it, but I did. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, anyway, but I enjoyed it.

So I had put it down cuz I was like, hobbies mirror this accounts. Sure. . So they latched onto that because they weren't gonna hire me to do animal stuff right out of the gate. Mm-hmm. , like you kind of have to get your foot in the door and then transfer over and all of that. Okay. Um, plus, you know, they were being kind of sticklers as a new person coming in that they wanted you to have like a psychology degree or whatever.

So, um, anyway, to work with the birds, to work with any of the animals. Oh, animals. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. Um, psychology. Yeah. But yeah, so human psych, the bird whisper, , tell me all your problems. the bird speaking for training, for animal training. Sure. No, it makes sense. I think there's probably even a specific degree you can go out there.

Probably animal psych or whatever. Yeah. Wasn't there? Yeah. Like UF has like a zoological program that would help kind of get you down that path a little bit more, but, and they actually have like a little mini zoo. That's super cool. Yeah. Uf. Okay. Anyway, so go ahead. Keep going. Anyway. Um, so, uh, , I get pulled back after I had given over the form, you know?

Mm-hmm. , and she pulls me back and she like latches onto the whole like, hobby of dancing. And she's like, so you dance? And I was like, well, I a swing dance, but I'm not gonna like tell you some lie about how I can do other shit. Cause like I can't . Yeah. . And I'm not even gonna say I'm like super great at that.

I, I enjoy it. It's a lot of fun. It's a hobby. And she was like, well, um, we don't have any other positions for this stuff, but we, we would definitely look at you for dancing. Oh my gosh. And I was like, oh, no. . No. I think we've gotten, we're like miscommunicating or something. Yeah. You said hobbies ? Yeah. Gosh.

Yeah. Oh, that's kind funny. I mean, so that didn't, that didn't, I didn't take that any further. Mm-hmm. cuz I was like, yeah. What? I don't know. What are they on crack? Like, no . Yeah, exactly. You're like a parade. Ice, ice dance. What? My new boyfriend, I got a, I, you know, I pivoted and got the job at SeaWorld and all of that.

Mm-hmm. , but like, yeah. . So it's interesting. So you put that down, kinda hear her talking about how they don't really have like interviews and stuff. Yeah. And this is kind of that same, I don't know if it's always been that. I mean cuz we're talking about like, I don't know, 2000, 2001. Mm-hmm. somewhere in that era.

Yeah. Okay. So it's a long It's a long time. Yeah. Like 20 years ago. It's a long time. I feel like it just turned the year 2000. Mm-hmm. , God I know went on in this world. Well that's what struck me when she was talking is like the interview was so different. You don't sell yourself with your words. Right. You sell yourself.

I was about to say with your body, but that sounds so wrong. Yeah. That's not, that's not the way to say it. I know. Yeah. You have to move your body in a way that makes you stand out from the others. Yes. And then, and she didn't mention even the vocal piece. That must have come into play at some point. Maybe even before that.

I think she's probably not thinking about it cuz she's a five in that arena. So Yeah, for her it was very second nature. Maybe she had to turn in something. Well, I think for the character, she said she had to audition. Right. Yeah. So I think the equity, like the singers in that might be a different category than just like, I wanna be, I wanna be right.

Yeah. Yeah. You're not singing as piglets. Yeah. So I guess that doesn't matter, right? That's right. We need to, we'll, probably could have asked this question and maybe the next time she's on, we can dive into it a little bit more, but like, I'd like to understand the equity stuff a little bit more. Mm-hmm.

yes. Mm-hmm. , how that happened. What made her make that decision to Well, I mean, go that route. How? How it all works. Mm-hmm. , yeah. Touched on it. We a lot of ins and outs on it a little bit with jj. Yeah. When we had him on just a little bit. We touched on it, but I think we could really delve into that a little bit more.

Yeah. So it keeps popping up, so we need to understand it better. Yes. Because as we've. Told everybody we don't know anything. . Well, that's, that's the truth. That's why we keep having the guest card. Right. Because no things they're, they're the experts in this stuff and you know. Yeah, absolutely. I'm just so glad that they come on and they're willing to talk with it.

And we've got some more coming. Yeah. Some fun ones coming out. Ah, okay. So much fun. Yeah, it's gonna be pretty exciting from the Florida Junior lesbians. My luck connections there thing. Yeah. Mm-hmm. , that was, yeah, it was great. Awesome experience. Mm-hmm. and what a great environment because they're all there because they wanna teach.

Right. Because they wanna help kids succeed. So, exactly. A bunch of like-minded people Yes. With a lot of talent and stuff. And we wanna give them a platform to take it. Mm-hmm. , you know, the next step and really just explain everything. Because the other thing too, and I know I asked her about the other theater she was working at, and man, she just rattled 'em off.

Yeah, I know. So maybe we can go back and do a little bit of research on those and see Exactly. what those are all about. Right. Are they like, are they regional, regional theaters or is there something else there? Because Yeah, there's a lot there too that I don't know, like we've, you know, we've got a lot to learn.

Yeah. Yeah we do. It's exciting. I'm eager to do it. That's funny. It's limitless, but yeah. Yeah, it is kind of, it's, it's nice when you start at the bottom cause you got a long way to go. I know. I always think about like every time I've had to learn something new, like, look at the mountain and the mountain is so high and you're just like, fuck, I gotta learn all of that

And then you start your way up the mountain, you're like, yeah, I've been doing this for a while. Like, I know some shit. And then you look up again, you're like, fuck, it's still way up there. Yeah. . And it seems to just get longer. Yeah. Like it longer. It's extending. It's like one of those, you know, yes. Camera pans and zooms and you know, you just see it extend.

Yeah. That's how it feels. Yeah. Well, and I love that we're learning and we're going to continue to learn about all the aspects, the stage management, the costuming. Yes. All those different pieces that we really don't know even less than anything about. So, . And I love that she brought up the pantomime because, you know, that just was like almost one of my favorite parts of going to that junior thespian thing.

I thoroughly enjoyed that. Dang it. I wish you guys could have stayed just to even see that. That's fine. I know, I know. Because I mean, I was like, uh, well they had a workshop too, didn't they Have a pantomime workshop? Mm-hmm. . And we did not go to that one. Yeah, we didn't make it to that one either. Um, it was kind of on my list, but it was not on pink, so.

Yeah. Well, mines are scary, so I understand that Well, and, and honestly, that's like what I thought about it. I was like, oh, they're just gonna be like miming in a box. Like, what is this? Similar but different? Yes, similar but different. And so I was not, I was like, oh, they're gonna panto mine. Great. This is gonna be a snoozer.

You know? It was a adorable, oh my gosh. Those kids, I can't even, like, I know it's, it's hard to describe it the way they creatively. , yes. The chairs just to make themselves and do an airplane or, and themselves surfing or whatever. Really cute. And the, it was seamless. They just went from one scene to the next and you could completely follow each activity that they were doing throughout.

And they were telling a story the whole time. Well, I wish you could have seen Jordan ex, uh, show some of the big movements that she was demonstrating for the kids, cuz it was mm-hmm. like, oh yeah, that makes total sense. Goofy putting on his pants. He's gotta have big, huge, exaggerated Right. You know, step up really high.

Pull up. You know, so it's a shame we couldn't see that, but yeah. Yeah. She did a little bit picture in your mind cause you've all seen them. Yeah, yeah. You know, you could see how big her arms were. Mm-hmm. , but yeah, I mean, it's just wild. . It's all good stuff. All right. Well, yeah, so I guess we're cry wrapping up I guess so, yeah.

We'll wrap one for us. Oh, I know. Yeah, I mean we went for like an hour. Okay. Yeah. A little bit shorter, but this is like, our special kitchen is delicious. I'm starving. . Wait, this is like a, the length of our special I know. Are, are many episode a cookie episode that turned into over an hour. Cookie is fine.

Yeah. Anyway, I guess. Goodbye. Everybody guess we're done.

Yeah, and you can back that camera up. It's always like, yeah, very close. My girl. And I was like, see the pores in my face. , let's back that shit up. . But it's Watch, watch yourself and it's only you talking. That's why it's so close. It doesn't have to be so close though. Sure it does. if we're all this big.

Yeah. Yeah. I would be comfortable with that. Yeah. No, keep me this morning. You're saying? No, . You're being overruled. Andrew. We wanna see can we meet in the middle? Cause that's how good relationships work. . Oh, don't get me started on that.